Utah Sport Bike Association

Be proud of your accomplishemnts, learn from your mistakes and work track time (WITH coaching) into your program. The Apex trackdays are awesome if you get one of the experienced riders to work with you, doing laps by yourself at this stage for you is just a waste of gas and tires but there are a lot of fast, smart people at the Apex days you may learn from

Dailing it back a little here on this forum and on FB will ensure those same fast/smart people will want to help you. Marketing 101 Drew, perception is everything

All aboard!

Drew I’m not trying to hate on you. You know I have tried to help you where I can. But dude you need to trust me now, I am trying to help, I swear! I know for long years at the track that if you follow my advice you will be safer and happier. You brought up me passing you in the race….honestly yeah, it’s a little scary. I’m closing on you so fast that it makes me nervous.

I get tired of repeating myself but I will. Your right about the bottom half they would not be racing. However, they won’t be anyway in two years. You see the rush to race is a short term deal. People that go straight to racing only last a year or two max. Racing burns people out, its way more expensive, way less track time, and way more stress. What you lack Drew is the perspective. I have been around for 8 or 9 years, even before MMP even. The people that do their homework and put in the schools and track time stay around much longer, the bigger the investment the longer the duration in the sport. When I came out Saturday, there were a handful of people that were there two years ago, and very few that were there 5 years ago. The people that were, have tons of experience. Racers burn out and sell everything, they don’t come back and do trackdays or schools, they just leave the sport.

Let me give this comparison that I have given a few times before. If
you meet a girl and have sex with her on the first date. You continue
this pattern for a short time. One day you come back to her and she
tells you can never have sex again, its too dangerous and expensive.
She tells you that all you can do from now on is kiss. That's it.
What are you going to do? Now lets imagine another story. You meet a
girl and get to know her over a year or so, become good friends and
develop a deep intimate relationship over many years. You commit to
each other, have sex and are happy. Years later she tells you there
will be not more sex because of a the same reasons. You can now only
kiss. You a lot more likely to take that agreement because you have a
deeper, more committed relationship. You see the comparison???

People who have a chance to really fall in love with the sport and
gain a real understanding of it, gain talent, safety, confidence, and
love, will stick with it. If you rush them into racing and burn
through them they will leave altogether when the affair comes to and
end.

thanks travis. you are a great person, and i totally am proud to know you. i do plan on doing a star school this winter. and i am going to attend the SuperART this season i hope. i do really intend on getting some real training.

i still dont see how you think i am not having a good time, or that i am doing stuff wrong. yeah, the endurance, i was slow. that point in the day, after not doing a damn thing, i was tired before i even put my helmet on. it was a learning experience. next round, i am confident my slow laps will be closer to 1:53.

it sort of does seem like you dont want me out there. because i am not as fast as you. and that, my friend, is not very nice. even if you intentions are good, that is mean. know one deserves to be told that. this is club racing. there were many people who were doing 2:08s all weekend. ill bet they arent getting torn a new one for that. if you want me banned from endurance...get me banned. if i am somehow putting others in danger, then your request will probably be approved

endurance is one of those classes that mix people. fast and slow guys. the reason they allow this is because they trust the fast guys to pass safely. if i made you nervous, i do appologize, and next round i will make some changes that will allow to me be a little safer (to those around me). i enrolled in that race to get seat time (which is exaclty what you request that i need)

please, if you want changes to be made to the whole class structure, go to the president. tell him that you want me to keep my money, and not come to the races....it would hurt, but if i got banned because i was too slow, i would respect that decision. but i would also petition to get the other 20 people (that are slower than me) pulled too

sorry, but this is sort of frustrating to me. i am allowed (based on the rules of the organization) to race. so guess what, i am going to race.

one more thing, and i cannt stress this enough...travis, raymond, oleg, kevin...i respect you...TONS. and if you say jump, i will jump. but im not a bitch, and i am not someone who who gets walked on by people without putting up a fight.

brian, you are awesome, and i love it when you help me out. the only reason i dont do every trackday is money...the reason i race every race is that at most, i have to find 100$ for the weekend...

if there was a way for me to lower the cost of trackdays, i would be all over it

Dude I am giving my advice because i want you to stay, not because I want you to leave. I just want you to stay for a long time. Build a foundation bro, that's all. Your comment to Brian about not having the money to do trackdays is other reason you should do trackdays. Racing per time spent on the track is just far less affordable then trackdays. Ill stop now.... You certainly have the right to race but remember knowledge is knowing a thing, wisdom is the application of knowledge.

thanks travis, i do think your heart is in the right place, it just came out a little wrong. or, i didnt read it correctly

bottom line, i can work off my race fees. so, competition is cheaper than trackdays. and the endurance race is the best bang for the buck.

im not going to get scared off, my friend. motorcycle riding are not a hobby, it is an obsession for me. ik have been on 2 wheels since i was 5 years old... i am not going to get burnt out...trust me.

this club is the best. i am honored to be a part of it.

Drew,

Travis is a jackass, and doesn't know what he is talking about. Don't listen to him. Personally I think you should race the AMA supersport class next year at MMP, it will be a good learning experience and I am sure you can get sponsorship for it. But before you enter, double check the rule book, I am pretty sure your smoke windscreen is legal but I am not sure about your exhaust without the muffler (it might not be SS legal since it makes so much hp.) Good luck and see you at the track.

don't be a smartass oleg, it does not look good on ya.

i take everyone's tips seriously...but do not mock me.

to say this for the 5th time...i am not "avoiding" or skipping trackdays because i think i am too good or anything. i simply cannot afford them, or find time

i am not against training, not against help, and not against being patient

Drew may not be the fastest but he can deliver a solid ass whoppin if needed:)

Hi Forum!

After reading all of the nasty comments I felt I needed to weigh in on this discussion and call out the bad behavior here. If this is how you treat all of your new riders, it's no wonder new racers only last 2 years, it's like being back in school and dealing with bullies. There is a difference between healthy competition and bullying. It's really sad that you want to diminish the number of racers that bring money to the club coffers and fans to Miller to watch the same people win races time after time--which FYI gets really old, the duel for 4 and 5th place is way more entertaining and the reason many people come to watch. Instead of tearing each other down, contribute constructive information that everyone can benefit and improve from.

On another note did anyone notice that Drew did not once complain, but was just happy that he got to participate and has been nothing but gracious in thanking those who provided their efforts in helping him improve his time, as well as congratulatory to the winners that he looks up to and hopes he could one day be a quarter as talented? Third place is honorable and he recognizes this was a total fluke. Giving him flack for his enthusiasm and humor only makes you look small and petty.

Grow up.

Megan-Timing and Scoring Assistant

Things have definitely gone too far when a guys wife comes on the forums to defend their husband. This could be a first

Not a first, but it never ends well.

I really believe (hope, think and pray) that many of the comments have been taken out of context. Nobody that I know wants anyone to leave the Club. Megan I give Drew a lot of shit but no more or less than anyone else. I also try to give him help and advice. Threads like this are sometimes just what happens after a race weekend. Lots of pent up testosterone, anger, frustration and pride get channeled in the wrong direction.

Carry on, I'm getting off the tracks before the next train is due.

yeah, this is a first for me. i mean, in the past i have caused a pretty good rukus with these experienced racers. but i figured we were past that.

i work my ass off for the club, help out wherever i can.

all last year i did trackdays (at their request)

this year i have been keeping it at about 90% speed, just so i dont crash. i want to be a good role model, and a good USBA representative. i want to be on the board one day.

so what the hell is the problem. i hope the other top racers are not complete jerks like the ones that have been bashing me here. no more respect for oleg...thats gone. i know travis means well, so im not taking what he said personally. im mu

i dont know why i am such a hot topic. how many other racers started this year with minimal experience? am i just an easy target because i am online? am i really hated that much?

megan is right...the racing did not push these guys away, it was people like these guys who ridiculed them, embarrassed them, insulted them, and made them want to get away.


im glad the current board members know that their club wins or loses based on participation, commitment, and happiness....not laptimes

Drew come on.... Who has helped you more then me? Think of the dollars I saved you bro. I trying to help!!! I can say that enough i guess. I want you to say around, Im not trying to be a bully, and I want you to have success. Sorry if your offended but don't be, after all its just an opinion.

you know what the worst part is...a new racer is sitting here, looking at this shit storm that oleg and travis started and are now second guessing getting licensed.

yes, new racer friends, there are some jerks out there, but there are more nice people then assholes. we all love to ride, just some have stuff on their agenda that outweigh the UTAH SPORTBIKE ASSOCIATION

let me scratch that, Travis and Oleg are not jerks, they just think they are all knowing. they want to help. its all good, it really is. i dont want you guys to throw rocks a me the next round, just know, that i am pretty pissed off. i was not treated fairly. i hope you guys see my point of view here, and maybe tone it down a little. i love riding and racing. its my life. and like i said before, love me, hate me....you'll never get rid of me!

To clarify my earlier post, it was intended purely for entertainment value, was only vaguely based upon actual facts, and was not intended to stir up a shit storm. But it looks like it did, so I can accept my part in causing the fray.

Drew and Megan are a class act in my book. For what it's worth after over 50 years on this tiny planet I would hope I can recognize that.... Drew is a pleasure to pit with and be around (no homo). Plus he has cookies and cold carbohydrate replenishment drinks... With that said, the earlier negative comments could easily be directed at me and a number of other new racers (as well as POTENTIAL new racers). The message is that if we are not deemed worthy by some (apparently self-appointed) members with tenure, then we shouldn't even make the effort. I trust this is not the case as I do not believe this to be consistent with the USBA goal of developing new racers. Not to mention that it cannot help increase the numbers on the grid, which will hurt all racers at MMP. Again, although I am certain that it isn't the case, there is also the appearance of a conflict of interest in the recommendations for use of another commercial entity in lieu of racing with USBA - this should be avoided or made clear.

And yeah, I'm a noob and don't know what the hell I'm talking about - I can accept that. But I'm fairly certain of the following:

Most of us do this out of our own pocket, and no, it ain't cheap.
All of us could use more track day time, and Apex is an outstanding organization that provides an irreplaceable service (thank you). I hope I don't get banned for speaking my piece.
New racers are the lifeblood and infusion of fresh cash into the club - they should be supported and encouraged. The New Rider Course seems to be an effective way to screen out riders that are not ready to learn and refine the skills required in a race environment.
If a new racer is unsafe, regardless of experience level, punitive or corrective action should be taken. If not, game on!
This is supposed to be a passion and fun to do!

I got no fight with anyone on this here forum and I ain't callin' anyone out... just sayin' it the way I see it.

DREWCOLLINS can do a wheelie on a unicycle. When DREWCOLLINS gives you the finger, he's telling you how many seconds you have left to live. And most importantly, remember that: In an average living room there are 1,242 objects DREWCOLLINS could use to kill you, including the room itself.



A few posts beat me to hitting "enter" so I apologize for the redundancy - but decided to go ahead - flame on.

I like you so much Jeff. Thanks for your kind words :)

im not gonna lie, i feel ganged up on. i do owe you A TON travis! you gave me the opportunity to learn to ride a sportbike, at MILLER!! thats epic. thats why i am taking your comments and thinking about them. im not mad at you, im mad at what happened when you made that comment. im mad at Oleg for saying what he did. lots of speed, minimal people skills. cracking a joke like that does not help things.


I want everyone out there to know that Travis runs a GREAT SHOW at Apex Trackdays.... absolutely amazing event. but his tra ckdays are not instructional, the only one that is is the SuperART.

Stirz I thought your post was awesome, sorry to hijack it.... I guess i need to keep my opinion to myself.... OK everyone if you want my opinion from now on you need to sign a waiver first.....shit!