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johnieut
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 MSF Basic Rider Course GraduatePosts: 103Location: Farr West, UTJoined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:25 am
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For all of the new racers and want to be racers out there- including myself!! Fortunately for me, I have had a great race experience. I can't say thanks enough to the people who have brought me to the track. I really enjoy being out there ( Greg Dingman, Kelly Rees and TrackStar, USBA/ APEX and the list goes on.....I was afraid to go to the track, I had always wanted to but really was afraid that I couldn't cut it and also to some extent fear of being ridiculed... It's pretty intimitading and still is, but it's that healthy respect for the sport which I love! but, in the end people helped me get there and I fell in love with it.. I enjoy having you out there Drew! You are a very pleasant guy with an over abundance of enthusiasm, that sometimes I with that I had! Most of these guys will and have given great advice- The only advice that I will give you is this- look to the people who are making you a better racer, you know who they are... and try to stick with advice from them... At some point you will have your own advice to give others :) until then, remember good advice is not always happy advice..  but in the end we have to realize to take some of the bad with good and learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others. There was a comment made this weekend during the NRE class that someone was doing something wrong, but yet this person didn't want to comment for fear of reprisal--- Brians comment, which I aggre 100% with was, that the club is a family and we need to look out for each others back, if you see something wrong point it out, because in the end it may help save that person and others, even potentially you some trouble. But I also think that there is tact that can be used to approach someone! The Director of New racers, The race Director and the board felt that you were compitent enough to compete- if there were flagrant disregard for others and or a real signficant risk to yourself or others I think Shane and others would not have let you pass the NRE-- Well, enough from me-- Hope to see you out there and hope you're having a good time!!! :)
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:08 pm |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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Stirz wrote: Megan181 wrote: Hi Forum!
After reading all of the nasty comments I felt I needed to weigh in on this discussion and call out the bad behavior here. If this is how you treat all of your new riders, it's no wonder new racers only last 2 years, it's like being back in school and dealing with bullies. There is a difference between healthy competition and bullying. It's really sad that you want to diminish the number of racers that bring money to the club coffers and fans to Miller to watch the same people win races time after time--which FYI gets really old, the duel for 4 and 5th place is way more entertaining and the reason many people come to watch. Instead of tearing each other down, contribute constructive information that everyone can benefit and improve from.
On another note did anyone notice that Drew did not once complain, but was just happy that he got to participate and has been nothing but gracious in thanking those who provided their efforts in helping him improve his time, as well as congratulatory to the winners that he looks up to and hopes he could one day be a quarter as talented? Third place is honorable and he recognizes this was a total fluke. Giving him flack for his enthusiasm and humor only makes you look small and petty.
Grow up.
Megan-Timing and Scoring Assistant To clarify my earlier post, it was intended purely for entertainment value, was only vaguely based upon actual facts, and was not intended to stir up a shit storm. But it looks like it did, so I can accept my part in causing the fray. Drew and Megan are a class act in my book. For what it's worth after over 50 years on this tiny planet I would hope I can recognize that.... Drew is a pleasure to pit with and be around (no homo). Plus he has cookies and cold carbohydrate replenishment drinks... With that said, the earlier negative comments could easily be directed at me and a number of other new racers (as well as POTENTIAL new racers). The message is that if we are not deemed worthy by some (apparently self-appointed) members with tenure, then we shouldn't even make the effort. I trust this is not the case as I do not believe this to be consistent with the USBA goal of developing new racers. Not to mention that it cannot help increase the numbers on the grid, which will hurt all racers at MMP. Again, although I am certain that it isn't the case, there is also the appearance of a conflict of interest in the recommendations for use of another commercial entity in lieu of racing with USBA - this should be avoided or made clear. And yeah, I'm a noob and don't know what the hell I'm talking about - I can accept that. But I'm fairly certain of the following: Most of us do this out of our own pocket, and no, it ain't cheap. All of us could use more track day time, and Apex is an outstanding organization that provides an irreplaceable service (thank you). I hope I don't get banned for speaking my piece. New racers are the lifeblood and infusion of fresh cash into the club - they should be supported and encouraged. The New Rider Course seems to be an effective way to screen out riders that are not ready to learn and refine the skills required in a race environment. If a new racer is unsafe, regardless of experience level, punitive or corrective action should be taken. If not, game on! This is supposed to be a passion and fun to do! I got no fight with anyone on this here forum and I ain't callin' anyone out... just sayin' it the way I see it. DREWCOLLINS can do a wheelie on a unicycle. When DREWCOLLINS gives you the finger, he's telling you how many seconds you have left to live. And most importantly, remember that: In an average living room there are 1,242 objects DREWCOLLINS could use to kill you, including the room itself. Attachment: hankIII.png A few posts beat me to hitting "enter" so I apologize for the redundancy - but decided to go ahead - flame on. thanks Jeff, you rock buddy!
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Travis@Apex
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:48 pm |
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Drew, I am SORRY. My comments were out of line and down right mean. Sorry to everyone for being an asshole. I a better person then this...sorry.
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terrible1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:40 pm |
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 Talks smack before going farmingPosts: 3866Location: In the shopJoined: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:46 pm
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 Group hug. The heat does wierd things to people.
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stephenclark27
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:06 pm |
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Drew, if you think people are being to harsh on this forum may I suggest the WERA forums. I think you would have fun over there 
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terrible1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:47 pm |
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| Talks smack before going farmingPosts: 3866Location: In the shopJoined: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:46 pm
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 Thats not very nice.
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Luck Runs Out...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:24 pm |
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 Fast but SafePosts: 1415Location: Monte Cristo RoadJoined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:18 pm
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Drew, to use Travis's analogy... I think you should go have sex with the track RIGHT NOW. Like a boss.
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dana
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:08 am |
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 Club Media MANPosts: 3215Location: Salt LakeJoined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:58 pm
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Travis@Apex wrote: Drew, I am SORRY. My comments were out of line and down right mean. Sorry to everyone for being an asshole. I a better person then this...sorry. Thanks, Travis. I understand where your comments are coming from, too. It's unnerving being out there when the speed differentials are so big. That's when bad $hit happens. Endurance is a odd mix of fast and slow ... mixed that with fatigue and everyone needs to be on their game. I thought about this thread last night ... The industry has changed A LOT the past few years. People don't really make a living racing any more and sponsors are tough to come by. When talent like Ant West needs to bring half a million dollars to the table to get a semi-competitive ride, and the speedy wife of an AMA superbike champ has to cut her season short due to funds, you know something is up. Race series are folding all over the country and I know firsthand it's not easy to keep things running. I've spent hundreds of hours for the club this year, and personally promoted Apex every chance I get. We're in this together fighting for our love of the sport. None of us are getting rich from it. So what's the option? Abandon competition? I sure hope not. I believe it's right where the club has been trying to go and many other clubs are playing catch-up ... be inclusive, but not the detriment of safety. That's a thin line to walk and I think we've done it well. Trust but verify. Teach but mentor. People like Drew and Megan exemplify this. We literally couldn't have a race series without people like Drew jumping in the deep end, cautiously, volunteering, chatting up the sport, meeting new friends in the paddock and IMPROVING without pitching the bike down every weekend. He'll get up to a good pace. Sweet Megan sits in race control all weekend so Drew can race. It's people like this who will be sponsors in 5 years and/or help support the racing of your kids. They're the future of racing in Utah, and help get canyon squids out for track days too. I guess the bottom line is if you see something you don't like, bring it up to the race director asap and it will be addressed. Or send it to the board later, as Dave mentioned. We want to be inclusive because the whole structure of motorcycle racing has been flipped. Inclusive also means things like running the Deseret Dash race on Saturday which was done specifically with Travis, Clint and a few other friends in mind who couldn't race Sunday. That's been a big success. Anyway, I get it. Many intense personalities in motorbike racing. That part of the industry hasn't changed. :) Thanks to EVERYONE who joined us for round 3, and hope to see you Friday night at the Apex day. -D
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:05 am |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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stephenclark27 wrote: Drew, if you think people are being to harsh on this forum may I suggest the WERA forums. I think you would have fun over there first utahsba.com....then wera...THEN THE WORLD!!! you all rock, even travis for owning up to a mistake. believe me, i have been an underdog my whole life, and im used to it. im sorry if i come off a little to excited sometimes, its just that motorcycle racing is my obsession. seriously. besides being married to my wife, that is the only thing i want to do the rest of my life. my short term goals: figure out turn 6 and turn 10 on the west, and get my sprint laptimes to 1:48, and my endurance laptimes a steady 1:52-1:55 finish every single race i enter, not getting last, not getting lapped (endurance dosn't count). that means completing the whole novU series. long term goals: be like mike, warren, dave, dana, shane, ryan, and become an integral part of this club. i want to be a board member, an ART teacher, a mentor, and a role model. if i can get up to sub 1:43 times on the west track, i think i am doing good. like you said travis, people fizzle out and get intimidated by racing when they jump in to fast. i am a new sport bike racer, but i am no stranger to the pain and suffering of high level amateur racing. dirt or pavement, its all the same. i am in this for the long run. and i am dedicated to making EVERYONE LIKE ME GOD DAMNIT!! in conclusion, i will continue to support APEX, as should everyone else. i will continue to look for new racers and street kings to bring to the track, and i will continue to take it a lap at a time. i respect everyone at the track, and i think of you as a second family. thanks everyone!! now can we get back to watching funny cat videos on youtube instead of beating me up
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Clarkie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:57 am |
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| Fast but SafePosts: 1128Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:24 pm
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Motorcycle racing isnt knitting, there is adrenalin and people's ego's are involved and you raced motocross Drew so I know you have seen this. There is 10 times the money being spent on club road racing compared to club motocross and with the economy the way it is the have's and the have not's are more prevalent than ever. Like every sport there is a 'boys club' with motorcycle racing, always have been and always will be. People are going to say stupid stuff, ask someone about myself and Davie Stone one day and the shitstorm that ensued  Dave and actally get on very well now we aren't racing against each other. The USBA is a great club and my advice is to find your niche in the club and run with it. The guys 'being mean' to you aren't assholes, they are racers just like you.
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:06 am |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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Clarkie wrote: Motorcycle racing isnt knitting, there is adrenalin and people's ego's are involved and you raced motocross Drew so I know you have seen this. There is 10 times the money being spent on club road racing compared to club motocross and with the economy the way it is the have's and the have not's are more prevalent than ever. Like every sport there is a 'boys club' with motorcycle racing, always have been and always will be. People are going to say stupid stuff, ask someone about myself and Davie Stone one day and the shitstorm that ensued Dave and actally get on very well now we aren't racing against each other. The USBA is a great club and my advice is to find your niche in the club and run with it. The guys 'being mean' to you aren't assholes, they are racers just like you. good call buddy. i think i found my niche...stirring up shit :) its sucks, but its kind of true...even you get in on my shenanigans most of the time! i love this club, its the reason i love living in utah...
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stephenclark27
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:27 am |
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| Prefers Gentle SweepersPosts: 258Location: Aberdeen, IDJoined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:48 pm
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I think its complete bullshit that everyone has bowed down to Drew Collins and come down on Travis for calling him out. The only reason Drew is always the center of attention if because he puts in himself in those positions by starting threads about his lame ass racing experiences, then when someone calls him out they are the bad guys. Completely retarded.
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:31 am |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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geez man "lame ass racing experiences" is the best i can do...why u gotta be all mean, i have been nothing but respectful to you, i owe you a ton for what you do.
i dont know if this is what goes for humor for you, but its not funny to me
i put myself out there because i can. u dont like it, turn your head and leave me the hell alone.
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stephenclark27
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:35 am |
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| Prefers Gentle SweepersPosts: 258Location: Aberdeen, IDJoined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:48 pm
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Quote: i have been nothing but respectful to you My first ever encounter with you was when you stole photos and put them on your FB. Then asked to be my friend. Then un-friended me. Since then you havent bought a single image but every weekend post half a dozen links to my images. Theres nothing wrong with that but it would be nice if you would buy a pic at least once. Then I am bombarded with your tales on FB and on the forums and when it goes wrong you go cry to your wife. She comes on and backs you up along with pretty much every other racer in utah.
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:40 am |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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i see how it is...
i make mistakes and i own them, fully. show me a perfect person and i'll show you someone who is lying to everyone.
next round come tell me to my face so i don't think we are friends anymore
i have enough good friends, that dont want anything from me. i dont need fakers in my life stephen
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stephenclark27
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:49 am |
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| Prefers Gentle SweepersPosts: 258Location: Aberdeen, IDJoined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:48 pm
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Quote: next round come tell me to my face so i don't think we are friends anymore Ill come tell it to your face. No problem there, I think I have done that to you before.
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DREWCOLLINS
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:51 am |
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| Uses The Whole TirePosts: 556Location: west jordanJoined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:06 pm
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yes, and i apologized profusely, i was in the wrong, i admitted it. but cmon...bitching at me because i dont give you money? childish. bitching at me for being proud of my accomplishments? bitching at me for advertising your site.
you dont like me, woopty dooo, i still like you
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spenny
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:55 am |
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| Prefers Gentle SweepersPosts: 319Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:09 pm
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Drew... Friend or not, stephen is trying to run a business. When you steal from him and don't support the vendors at the track how do you think he is gonna respond to you. You need to think at least 3 times about what you want to post before you put it up here. Maybe you should ask someone first too. Just to make sure whatever is going through your head is appropriate to post on here. I bet it would save you a lot of trouble.
Oh and I really hope you're not actually racing hopped up on medication while listening to a playlist you put together. I can't think of two more unsafe things to do while racing around at 100mph with other people.
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Oleg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:01 am |
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| MSF Basic Rider Course GraduatePosts: 228Joined: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:50 am
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This thread is ridiculous in so many ways I don't even know what to say. I am amazed by all the support from the board members... I don't know why they need to step in and defend someone. I am sure everyone knew that this was coming soon or later.
Drew, I am so sad that you are mad at me and don't respect me, I think I am going to have a hard time sleeping at night.
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Clarkie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:04 am |
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Club racing rocks! Oleg, $$$ and the club's survival in these tough times may give you a hint... 
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